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any plans to develop a version that will run on windows?
Hi, Sounds like the developers here are anti Windows. Thats ok, as I understand. But why not make the code usable on a WAMP system for the many users who are not Linux savvy? I run Apache 2, PHP 4, MYSQL 5 on an XP box for my development
platform. Yes my live site is on a linux host. I mainly use windows
as I have not learned Linux, and don't have the time for the learning
curve involved. I let my host be the expert on Linux.
There are many oscommerce users out there in the same position as I am.
If your application gains popularity, you would have more contributed
to its development.
Many thanks for the consideration.
Dan
There is a way to pursue development of ck on a LAMP stack while allowing
windows users to install it on their machines. If you use a virtual machine
(vmware is probably the best known for windows host OS / linux guest OS),
then everything is working well. The Asterisk@home project is starting to
use this method for giving people an easy way for testing the software (all
pre-installed with PHP, MySQL, Apache and linux) in one executable file.
Vincent
On 5/14/06, danimal <danmye@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Sounds like the developers here are anti Windows. Thats ok, as I
> understand. But why not make the code usable on a WAMP system for the
> many users who are not Linux savvy?
> I run Apache 2, PHP 4, MYSQL 5 on an XP box for my development
> platform. Yes my live site is on a linux host. I mainly use windows
> as I have not learned Linux, and don't have the time for the learning
> curve involved. I let my host be the expert on Linux.
> There are many oscommerce users out there in the same position as I am.
> If your application gains popularity, you would have more contributed
> to its development.
> Many thanks for the consideration.
> Dan
Hi, Dan, Thank you for your interest in CK-ERP.
You are right. This software is designed, so it, "Will fail within a
Windows environment."
Let me first re-assure you that the Linux learning curve is a rather
flat one, and the nice part of it all, is, you don't need to spend a
dime building up your experimental learning system software-wise.
In a small way, I am doing my part in helping to lessen the grip lock M$
has on the IT profession. I would persuade you to try out any one of
the freely available Linux distributions and setup/test CK-ERP from there.
Cheers,
CK
danimal wrote: > Hi, > Sounds like the developers here are anti Windows. Thats ok, as I > understand. But why not make the code usable on a WAMP system for the > many users who are not Linux savvy? > I run Apache 2, PHP 4, MYSQL 5 on an XP box for my development
> platform. Yes my live site is on a linux host. I mainly use windows
> as I have not learned Linux, and don't have the time for the learning
> curve involved. I let my host be the expert on Linux.
> There are many oscommerce users out there in the same position as I am.
> If your application gains popularity, you would have more contributed
> to its development.
> Many thanks for the consideration.
> Dan
A patch was posted on the mailing list a while ago allowing CK-Erp to run on
Windows. Check in the archives.
On 5/14/06, C K Wu <c@cheerful.com> wrote:
> Hi, Dan,
> Thank you for your interest in CK-ERP.
> You are right. This software is designed, so it, "Will fail within a
> Windows environment."
> Let me first re-assure you that the Linux learning curve is a rather
> flat one, and the nice part of it all, is, you don't need to spend a
> dime building up your experimental learning system software-wise.
> In a small way, I am doing my part in helping to lessen the grip lock M$
> has on the IT profession. I would persuade you to try out any one of
> the freely available Linux distributions and setup/test CK-ERP from there.
> Cheers,
> CK
> danimal wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Sounds like the developers here are anti Windows. Thats ok, as I
> > understand. But why not make the code usable on a WAMP system for the
> > many users who are not Linux savvy?
> > I run Apache 2, PHP 4, MYSQL 5 on an XP box for my development
> > platform. Yes my live site is on a linux host. I mainly use windows
> > as I have not learned Linux, and don't have the time for the learning
> > curve involved. I let my host be the expert on Linux.
> > There are many oscommerce users out there in the same position as I am.
> > If your application gains popularity, you would have more contributed
> > to its development.
> > Many thanks for the consideration.
> > Dan
-- Raphael Alla Mitija Australia +61 4 15 678 576 http://www.mitija.com -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
Really--to run ck-erp on M$ doesn't make any sense. If you've decided to "buy" your desktop then why not "buy" your ERP solution? From a client standpoint, CK does work within any environment that supports a browser. However, true to the open source ideal, CK runs in the server environment wherein it was produced and grows. In short, each enhancement is paid for once. Up to this point, CK, has done most of the paying, but he in turn, relies on middleware, which in turn relies on amazing rocket science languages and databases. If you're trying to run CK on an non-LAMP server, then you're stuck on "free" as in "free beer" rather than on free as in freedom from abritrary licenses and IP encumberances. Hardware's cheap. Free documentation and support forums abound! Stop working so hard to do the right thing the wrong way. I think that you'll find in general that the quality of workmanship and documentation far surpass anything you will find in the commecial world. -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
Let me be unequivocal about this. "CK-ERP Will fail within a Windows environment."
If you obtain a patch, from whatever source, which allows you to run
CK-ERP within a Windows environment temporarily for a certain period of
time and you are happy about it, then by all means, use it. However,
you will also have to live with the eventuality of (Windows + CK-ERP)
falling apart in front of your eyes, and don't complain about you were
never warned.
Cheers,
CK
Raphael Alla wrote: > A patch was posted on the mailing list a while ago allowing CK-Erp to > run on Windows. Check in the archives. > On 5/14/06, *C K Wu* < c@cheerful.com <mailto:c@cheerful.com>>
> wrote:
> Hi, Dan,
> Thank you for your interest in CK-ERP.
> You are right. This software is designed, so it, "Will fail within a
> Windows environment."
> Let me first re-assure you that the Linux learning curve is a rather
> flat one, and the nice part of it all, is, you don't need to spend a
> dime building up your experimental learning system software-wise.
> In a small way, I am doing my part in helping to lessen the grip
> lock M$
> has on the IT profession. I would persuade you to try out any one of
> the freely available Linux distributions and setup/test CK-ERP
> from there.
> Cheers,
> CK
In some situations the choice of hardware or platform is not given to a user
- for instance company policy may require all applications to be hosted on
Windows etc. How many companies still say "no" to Linux even if it is free?
CK could at least accept patches that help CK-ERP run on Windows even if it
is not supported.
On 5/15/06, jerre.h@gmail.com <jerre.h@gmail.com> wrote:
> Really--to run ck-erp on M$ doesn't make any sense. If you've decided
> to "buy" your desktop then why not "buy" your ERP solution? From a
> client standpoint, CK does work within any environment that supports a
> browser. However, true to the open source ideal, CK runs in the server
> environment wherein it was produced and grows. In short, each
> enhancement is paid for once. Up to this point, CK, has done most of
> the paying, but he in turn, relies on middleware, which in turn relies
> on amazing rocket science languages and databases. If you're trying to
> run CK on an non-LAMP server, then you're stuck on "free" as in "free
> beer" rather than on free as in freedom from abritrary licenses and IP
> encumberances. Hardware's cheap. Free documentation and support
> forums abound! Stop working so hard to do the right thing the wrong
> way. I think that you'll find in general that the quality of
> workmanship and documentation far surpass anything you will find in the
> commecial world.
-- Raphael Alla Mitija Australia +61 4 15 678 576 http://www.mitija.com -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
Really, your logic is going circles. If your insurance, or government, or whatever dictates your business software must reside on a Windows host, then clearly your choices are to use some windows certified software and you should probably get microsoft certified and finish the knot. Is your governing entity really going to be happy with open source just because you stuck a windows server under it? -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
My argument is not logic, it is practical. In my experience many companies
have policies which are against common sense. It can be easier to adapt than
to fight.
On 5/15/06, jerre.h@gmail.com <jerre.h@gmail.com> wrote:
> Really, your logic is going circles. If your insurance, or government,
> or whatever dictates your business software must reside on a Windows
> host, then clearly your choices are to use some windows certified
> software and you should probably get microsoft certified and finish the
> knot. Is your governing entity really going to be happy with open
> source just because you stuck a windows server under it?
-- Raphael Alla Mitija Australia +61 4 15 678 576 http://www.mitija.com -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
OK. I'm going to quit trying to tell you how to do business in Australia. Sorry, but I really think you're on the road to pain, doom, and destruction when you destabilize the stack with closed-source. Carry on... -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
This question has been asked several times in the past, so you might check the archives jerre.h @gmail.com wrote: > Really--to run ck-erp on M$ doesn't make any sense. .... I think that you'll find in general that the quality of
> workmanship and documentation far surpass anything you will find in the
> commecial world.
This is simply not true. Search "compare commercial open source software" for details. Marc
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It seems to me that pain, doom and destruction come when people develop products and projects and dead-end them by doing things like (this is what I've perceived from the foregoing dialogue) sabotaging software so that it doesn't run in certain undesirable environments. Do you guys wear red shirts with Che Guevarra's face printed on them as well? eGroupWare runs in any environment that supports Apache. I know that because I'm using the monstrous and evil OS so emphatically vituperated by rogue open-source developers. Speaking from experience as an office manager, I can tell you that the strongest open-source projects are the ones that knock down the fences rather than building new ones. I am in charge of setting up the billing and accounting for a sprouting law firm, and I fully appreciate the issues of what is called "user inertia." I deal with it daily, but I can't just go and format the company server's hard drive and install Linux so as to satisfy a frivolous principle. Yes, we use Windows, but on top of it we run Apache, MySQL, OpenOffice, Firefox, and so forth - programs that are free for anyone to use. I use them because there are no licensing issues or hefty price tags, not because I'm necessarily contributing to the greater good. I use Windows, on the other hand, because it was already there when I got the job. Hint: professionals don't care what lofty ideals they're violating when they use this software or that. They ask themselves questions like: is it legal? Does it do what I need it to? I hate M$ as much as anyone here, but their practices are what I hate the most: things like hidden data, copy protection, and oh, yes - proprietary applications and development frameworks. If I accept a developer's demands that I switch from a closed-source platform to an open-source one, how is that any better than submitting to aggressive corporate marketing? -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
Hi, Liams.toaster, Thank you for your interest in CK-ERP.
I guest the best answer to your query is to re-state previous replies,
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This software is designed, so it, "Will fail within a Windows environment."
Let me first re-assure you that the Linux learning curve is a rather
flat one, and the nice part of it all, is, you don't need to spend a
dime building up your experimental learning system software-wise.
In a small way, I am doing my part in helping to lessen the grip lock M$
has on the IT profession. I would persuade you to try out any one of
the freely available Linux distributions and setup/test CK-ERP from there.
=========================================================================== ===
If you obtain a patch, from whatever source, which allows you to run
CK-ERP within a Windows environment temporarily for a certain period of
time and you are happy about it, then by all means, use it. However, you
will also have to live with the eventuality of (Windows + CK-ERP)
falling apart in front of your eyes, and don't complain about you were
never warned.
=========================================================================== ======
Best Regards,
CK
liams.toaster ??:
>It seems to me that pain, doom and destruction come when people develop
>products and projects and dead-end them by doing things like (this is
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